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Dr. Jordan B. Peterson sits down with author, lecturer, and podcaster Spencer Klavan. They discuss the fruits and follies of the postmodern worldview, how our conscious and subconscious rank order data and form perceptions, where disparate creation myths and biblical depictions overlap, why God does not rule by force, and how just about everything we uncover through science reaffirms the notion of an underlying unity

Spencer A. Klavan is host of the Young Heretics podcast and associate editor of The Claremont Review of Books. A graduate of Yale, he earned his doctorate in ancient Greek literature from Oxford University. He is the author, most recently, of the acclaimed book Light of the Mind, Light of the World: Illuminating Science Through Faith, as well as the editor of Gateway to the Stoics and Gateway to the Epicureans. He has written for many outlets, including The Atlantic, The Los Angeles Times, City Journal, Newsweek, The Federalist, The American Mind, and The Daily Wire. He lives in Nashville, Tennessee.

This episode was recorded on October 4th, 2024

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– Chapters –

(0:00) Coming up
(0:40) Intro
(2:31) The lasting impact of filming “Foundations of the West”
(5:47) How a small band of literary critics upended the world, postmodernist breakthroughs and folly
(10:39) The interpretive framework is narrative, not rational
(15:50) How the brain channels perception into action through a hierarchy
(19:41) You never learn anything without subjecting something previous to a death, sensory data is not enough to ascertain reality
(27:27) Shared patterns among disparate creation myths, what consciousness is contending with
(31:05) The Bible describes a fundamental pattern of our existence, the deeper meaning of Adam naming the animals
(34:59) Monet’s haystack paintings and the question of higher unity
(40:52) Entering the dangerous quantum territory, the end of physics?
(47:27) The field of possibility, conscious aim and consequences
(51:50) Leaving aspiration at the door and living for the moment, how emotional pain affects perception
(58:14) What “Paradise Lost,” “Dante’s Inferno” and “Cain and Abel” understood about hell
(1:04:13) How gravity changes around hell and paradise, symbolic deaths and rebirths
(1:07:32) What Jordan Peterson hashed out with Richard Dawkins, cosmos and the logos
(1:11:26) “The Three Body Problem,” the unresolvable problem and how the novels explore this
(1:17:06) Protecting the true scientific ethos, how well-meaning scientists end up chasing delusions for their entire careers
(1:20:54) A perfect example of a junk study: Ketanji Brown Jackson
(1:22:46) Why not lie?
(1:29:16) Why God allowed Adam and Eve to rebel, rulers and force
(1:34:45) The self-devouring ethos of total fairness
(1:41:02) Everything is pointing to an underlying unity

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